Happy Holidays!

There are lots of holidays stacked up at the end of the year and it’s more welcoming to everyone to just say Happy Holidays!  Focusing on Christmas, Hanukkah, New Years, etc. is a targeted greeting we should keep for the people we know well and know that they’re in the same “club” of beliefs. But since I don’t know who’s reading this then I agree with Penn Jillette and want to wish everyone a Happy Holidays! For me this sincerely includes well wishes to you for whatever it is you celebrate this time of year. Here’s hoping all of humanity has an even better year next year!!!

6 thoughts on “Happy Holidays!

  1. Why are you so concerned about Someone you claim doesn’t exist??? Lighten up! You take your unbelief too seriously!

  2. Jeff,
    Commenting on your own post? Let me tell you a christmas story, well, it’s really not, it was a doomsday party by a local freethinker group last friday. They advertise on “meetup” that they accept agnostics and humanists and secularists. Well, I put them to the test, and I told them that in the past, while I’m 99 percent atheist, I have been called a “fundy” and a “troll” on atheist blogs. And that while I agree that religious mythology is bullshit, that belief that the universe is an accident is a big step back into religion. It was the next day when a member with an avatar of his arm tattoo asked me, “What are you doing here?” I did not attend their party, but, the following day, I get messages in my mailbox to the effect “where were you, everyone had a great time”, along side with a message that I am a troll. So I replied, why would I want to go to a party where anyone present resented me? I can stay home and drink beer and watch football. I don’t resent me. But, today I got a message in my email that my membership had been rejected. Big surprise. If I had recieved yet another caustic comment, my reply would have been, “this conversation is over, you have been blocked from my email”, but they beat me to it, but, the result is the same. It works for me. This is the result of my experience, that when you look at a group that calls itself athiest, or humanist, or secularist, or freethinker, what it really is group of hardline atheists hiding their unpopular image behind a more benign label. And I have no interest in participating in their religion.

    NL

  3. Another Jeff in the universe makes me feel like I’m talking to myself. LOL Actually I don’t take my unbelief all that seriously since I’m just now seeing this and replying. I had a very unreligious holiday visit out of town with my religious family. It was interesting that they really didn’t mention religion at all so I think they’re even burnt out on it this year. They know I lack religion and my mom said once during the trip that the most important thing was spending every moment with me, my wife, and my kids since we live far away.

    Norman, I’m not entirely sure why you have so much trouble with “freethinker” groups and that’s probably because I haven’t really tried to associate with any to see their lack of tolerance. We don’t know enough to say the universe is definitely an accident of physical existence and I see the universe as such a majestic mystery that I just know that the true “origin” of it is beyond our simple human understand. Gods continue to be a simple insult to the true majesty of the universe. I agree that sometimes it’s better to just have some beer and watch some football, which goes back to the other Jeff’s comment that I take it all too seriously. Really I’m simply sharing my view of the universe and the religions around me that sometimes impact me. It’s not that serious to me because I have no fundamental theism or even fundamental atheism that I’m fighting for. I’m just a guy rambling on the Internet…

  4. WordPress software does not allow two people to have the same username. So, anyone, help me understand.

    Anyway, “Jeff?” said, “Really I’m simply sharing my view of the universe and the religions around me that sometimes impact me. It’s not that serious to me because I have no fundamental theism or even fundamental atheism that I’m fighting for.”

    Well, I have said it before, that in my view, agnostism is the purest form of freethought. Because while it rejects mythology, it forms no conclusions on matters yet to be proven. My rejection of mythology makes me feel a gravitational pull toward atheists, but when I interact with them, eventually I find myself unwelcome. Arguments I make regarding things that are not known, and may never be known are met with pejoratives. And if it were a single event, one could argue that I’ve drawn a conclusion on insufficient evidence. But, I have joined the conversation on American Atheist (now defunct), Freethinker UK, and several others. The theme remains consistant. If you refuse to adopt as a belief that the universe is an accident, you are religious. When the opposit is true, that if you adopt as a belief that the universe is an accident, you are a member of a new religion. Just like every other religion, it has adopted beliefs unsupported by science.

    Now, I am no crusader either. I would love to change the world for my children, but the planet exists in such a quagmire of self perpetuating religious brainwash, that I’m convinced that while change is happening, and religion is losing its stranglehold on society, the end of organized religion will take several generations. So I don’t take to the streets with signs marching with anyone. I’m just hoping to find a circle of friends who see the light that we see. I know they’re out there, but they’re just as lazy as we are.

    Norman Lycan

  5. You can see the different icons and the guest doesn’t have a link to my “Jeff” account on WordPress. I’m the only account and I think every other comment posted is a guest post.

    Anyway, for me agnosticism is the seed and the first basic thought for my beliefs which include the de facto atheist position that I lack belief in theism. The gods are an insult to the actual mysteries of the universe we may never understand. I think humanism is interesting too and should be explored more for informing how we live without religion.

  6. Jeff(s) said:
    “I think humanism is interesting too and should be explored more for informing how we live without religion.”
    It’s not an icon, it’s an avatar. And it has no effect on user names.
    But, this is what I have been telling you, Jeff. That out there in the world are a lot of groups that call themselves freethinkers, agnostics, humanists, and secularists. Now, while I have failed to investigate every single group flying those banners on this planet, my experience so far is that they are hardline atheists trying to wear a less controversial badge. From my point of view, they are misrepresenting our freethought with their religion. It seems unlikely that we could ever stop them because the lines are so grey. Not believing in a god, as opposed to believing there is no god. But, atheists go flying in the face of society that no one can prove some god exists is proof it does not. Idiotic zealots that make all freethinkers look bad. While doubt is sanity in the lack of evidence. Atheists are making things worse.

    Norman Lycan

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