John Lennon – God

This came up in my playlist and I realized I hadn’t posted it to the blog.

John Lennon – God

God is a concept
By which we measure
Our pain
I’ll say it again
God is a concept
By which we measure
Our pain

I don’t believe in magic
I don’t believe in I-Ching
I don’t believe in Bible
I don’t believe in tarot
I don’t believe in Hitler
I don’t believe in Jesus
I don’t believe in Kennedy
I don’t believe in Buddha
I don’t believe in mantra
I don’t believe in Gita
I don’t believe in yoga
I don’t believe in kings
I don’t believe in Elvis
I don’t believe in Zimmerman
I don’t believe in Beatles
I just believe in me
Yoko and me
And that’s reality

The dream is over
What can I say?
The dream is over
Yesterday
I was the dreamweaver
But now I’m reborn
I was the Walrus
But now I’m John
And so dear friends
You just have to carry on
The dream is over

6 thoughts on “John Lennon – God

  1. Nice to here from you again, Jeff,

    John Lennon poetry is a pretty lazy way to reenter the arena. 🙂 You are a person of intellect, I image you have many thoughts and interpretations of Lennon’s lyrics and what they say about society. I know I do. Such as his solo song, “watching the wheels”. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BFdu8m5kZk He made his fortune, all the money he could ever need, so he stepped out of the rat race, and started working on his own schedule. Producing music, because that is what he loved to do, was born to do. But, not to sell it on a mass market, but just to express himself before the world in a voice that had become respected.

    I think there is no anthem for freethought like his song, “Imagine”. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwUGSYDKUxU

    I don’t know if you have read all my posts, but I have said, “agnostism is the answer to the human condition”. I don’t know if you understood what I meant. Then again, it may have been crystal clear. Agnostism isn’t just about religion. When a person tells you must be loyal to your country unwaiveringly, an agnostic looks at a hundred years of slavery, and two hundred thousand people whose lives ended too young over the idiotic issue.

    People may tell you we need to return to the constitution. An agnostic would ask why? If it was somehow divine, why has it been amended 27 times? And, not to belabor the point, why did the original not outlaw slavery?

    Agnostics understand, because we care to educate ourselves, that, yes, you can go to Walmart and buy something from China that violates patent laws for pennies on the dollar for the same item manufactured by the company that did the research and development, and owns the patent, but in doing so, you are not spending dollars, you are spending from where your dollars eminate, US jobs. You cannot cure stupid.

    What do you think? Can humans be rescued? Are they just too stupid to survive? You can slap them in the face, but they just get angry instead of waking from their dream.

    Norman Lycan

  2. Jeff,

    I suspect you are the laziest activist on the planet. And that’s okay, I guess, this is your hobby, your site, and not your obsession.

    I guess agnostism is an obsession of mine. With good reason. As various branches of science prove the case that organized religion is just goat herder mythology invented by fakers to use human ignorance to enslave them. Jehovah (Yahweh) or Allah or no more real than Zeus, Quetzalcoatl, or Horace. But the foothold of modern cults like scientology and mormonism show the invention or reinvention of the classic gods still enslave the human perception of reality, and therefore their minds, thus their money, and their political vote. Atheism, on the surface, seems to be a ticket to freedom. A release from the gods and spirits and the superstitions. I believe that that must be a good thing. But, what it isn’t, is the solution to the human condition. It makes the same mistake as every other religion, it chooses a direction in which evidence seems to point, then it draws a conclusion based upon “faith”.

    Let me elaborate. Organized religion preys upon human fear of death, and promises an afterlife where all your suffering is a thing of the past, and I can’t prove that’s not true. But, as an agnostic, I will never adopt it as a belief, until it is proven. Additionally, the convenience of the argument and obvious intent of the dogma force me to lean to toward the idea being bullshit. Yet, I don’t adopt that as a belief either. I simply reject that belief.

    Atheism, on the other hand, has in a large way, extrapolated a conclusion, that since goat herder mythology is bullshit, that necessarily it must be true that the universe is an accident. I cannot prove them wrong. But, neither can they prove themselves right, yet they believe. There inlies their mistake, and a failure to learn from the past. The only armor you can wear around your mind and be sure you will never be used or misled, is to believe nothing that cannot be proven. Agnostics are the pure freethinkers, the intellectually honest. Freedom FROM religion.

    Norman Lycan

  3. I posted John Lennon’s Imagine song back on Christmas day 2005. 🙂 http://agnosticuniverse.org/blog/2005/12/25/john-lennon-imagine/

    I’m not necessarily the laziest activist, because I don’t consider myself an activist. I’m just one agnostic that likes web development as a hobby so this is the perfect subject to do a little web tinkering on. I wouldn’t say freethought is an obsession for me, but it is my way of life. I’m happy to have my freedom of religion and freedom FROM religion!

  4. Jeff said:

    “I’m happy to have my freedom of religion and freedom FROM religion!”

    I’m confused, are you calling agnostism a religion? If you are, then I have misunderstood all along. And I strongly disagree. Agnostism is freedom from religion, superstitition, political spin and all other bullshit unsubstantiated by proof. The purest root in science and fact that can be achieved by the perception of the human mind. Which of course, is imperfect. And therefore, must be adopted with caution as well.

    What was the slogan on your website again? I didn’t forget, but I begin to wonder if you did.

    NL

  5. I’m referring to the First Amendment of the United States: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;…” which gives everyone “freedom of religion” and which I use to have freedom FROM religion. I was merely referring to us all as freethinking humans in a country that codified the basics of freethought as “free exercise thereof” for religion.

    Thinking about that, it contrasts with homosexual rights because nobody is born with a religious belief. I’m sure some religious person would try to use that argument in a debate.

  6. The freedom of the excercise of religious beliefs is the core reason for the colonization of American. Henry VIII decided that since he had no swimmers in his sperm, that he was entitled to another try, with another woman. And when the pope would not grant his divorce, he changed the state religion to the Church of England. Those who would not conform to his newly invented christian church were persecuted for their resistance. http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/henry_catherine_divorce.htm
    So it comes as no surprise that the colonists in America wanted no part of the debate. They wanted to worship their vision of god without fear of retribution. So, they created a constitution for a nation that could practice any vision of god that seemed real to them. And government would be tolerent of that position. And then came Jim Jones and Marshall Applewhite. Best laid plans of mice and idiots.
    And this same constitution, from it’s signing until Abraham Lincoln allowed slavery of negroes. And I have seen immigrants from Kenya, they don’t look like Barrack Obama. They could disappear in low light they are so black, and what we call black in our country is not just the product of slavery, but, generations of being raped by white slave owners. And after the emancipation, it took until the 1960’s before we started to seriously consider how dire was the plight of these people. And while progress has been made, these people are not being educated equally, because they have been financially forced into living in school districts where teachers don’t want to work, and local and state governments want to fund based on performance. Therefore, fifty years later, we are still we still fuck minorities. So, I am left wondering, is this the constitution you believe in?
    On the flip side of the coin, as there always is, every attempt at legislating the extermination of religion, Stalin, China, Pol Pot has resulted in genocide as ghastly as any committed by organized religion.
    So, rational thinking must be taught, never forced, and so the long slog out of humanity’s intellectual hell, into its transformation will happen, if at all, one step at a time, with the fundamentalists battling us every step of the way.
    The religious hierarchy will never surrender peacefully. Everything they are invested in pivots on human ignorance, surrender would mean the collapse of their kingdom of unimagineable weath sucked out the rich and the poor without conscience. What would possibly motivate them to surrender until the fall of the central keep? Yet, Jeff’s First Amendment is their best weapon. Maybe their graft and corruption will never be known. Forever immune to prosecution, because government is not allowed to evaluate the teaching, the political strategy, or the agenda of a religion. Al Queda is a religion, and would be protected under a broad interpretation of the same idea.
    So, let’s be real, the first amendment didn’t go far enough in limiting the freedoms of religion. Just like it did’t limit the enslavement of black humans.
    And the great words of Jesus often quoted: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Wise counsel. Because it can also be interpreted, do unto others lest his vengeful brother do worse to you. Not sage wisdom, common street survival. Religion is bullshit, and if you think our constitution lends some validity to the horror they have committed on society, not just in American but in every home on the planet, I guess I overestimated your range of perception. Religion, like never before, stands between nations at odds, instead humans in common endeavor. But, you just can’t fix stupid.

    NL

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